Search Engine Journal Webinar August 2025
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POLL
What’s your biggest concern within SEO
over the next 12 months?
<> Visibility in AI and LLMs
<> Declining Organic traffic
<> Reporting and attribution
<> Keeping up with change
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Gartner Predicts Search Engine Volume
Will Drop 25% by 2026, Due to AI
Chatbots and Other Virtual Agents.
February 19 2024
The internet is changing shape.
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Information
Consumption
2.0
Information
Consumption
3.0
Information
Consumption
1.0
Change is being driven by two forces we can’t
control.
Technology, and it’s users.
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Google’s fastest growing demographic is Gen Z.
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1 in 10 Gen Z
searches start with
Circle to Search or
Lens.
1 in 5 of these
Searches are
commercial in
nature.
Visibility is changing shape.
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Not all users start their Search journey knowing
what they’re actually looking for.
Some Searches start ambiguous, before the
actual journey begins.
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Shift from traditional search to experience-led,
user-driven decision-making.
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What constitutes success in this new
paradigm?
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POLL
Are you already tracking traffic,
conversions, and performance in platforms
like ChatGPT?
<> Yes
<> No
<> Currently implementing
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LLMS
2.5%
Takeaway #1
Go get Looker Studio’s setup to monitor and
track your current LLM traffic, and value it’s
driving (e.g. revenue, leads).
#SearchEngineJournal #SEO
ACTION
For over decade we’ve been telling the story of
SEO success with data, and we’ve educated our
clients that certain metrics equal success.
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Clicks/Traffic
Keyword Rankings
Organic ROI
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Clicks/Traffic
Keyword Rankings
Organic ROI
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Previous search success will not guarantee success
in modern Search.
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Google Opening Keynote - GSCL DD APAC 2025, Bangkok
Users are using Search alongside other
mediums.
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Google Search Console
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Google Trends
Takeaway #2
Compare your traffic data for organic to
Paid impressions data and keyword search
volume and trends data.
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ACTION
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AI is disrupting the top of the funnel.
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Takeaway #3
Your top-of-funnel content needs strong
distribution and spread across your website,
socials, and other sites talking about you.
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ACTION
Research is being outsourced to AI.
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Peer content about your brand and products
online is influencing the decision making
process in AI results.
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Takeaway #4
Review your funnel, and identify potential
risk areas based on how users search/would
historically get to that stage of the funnel.
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ACTION
Clicks/Traffic
Keyword Rankings
Organic ROI
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Rank well > Get traffic > See return
#SearchEngineJournal #SEO
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Organic visibility is now not limited to our own
domain.
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Visibility in AI isn’t stable, and the same user
can perform the same query at the same time,
and get different results.
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Visibility in AI tooling isn’t stable, and the same
user can perform the same query at the same
time, and get different results.
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Due to how AI Mode and AI Overviews report,
the Average Position metric is no longer as
stable, or as accurate a metric as it used to be.
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We should still be looking at rankings, but we
should be looking at visibility on a topic level,
not at a keyword level.
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Clicks/Traffic
Keyword Rankings
Organic ROI
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For a number of years now, SEO hasn’t just
been a direct driver of value.
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SEO drives indirect value by increasing brand
awareness, fueling other marketing channels, and
influencing conversions throughout the customer
journey, even when it’s not the last click.
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You can use GA4 Explore to understand the
number of users that first find your site
through organic, and then go onto complete
purchases or actions via other channels.
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Google Analytics 4
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Takeaway #5
Track cross-channel lift by quantifying how
organic increases return traffic, conversions,
and revenue through other channels.
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ACTION
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POLL
How are you approaching hiring and
vendor selection now for SEO?
<> Must have AI skills
<> We are upskilling internally
<> Not currently investing
Developing an approach and strategy to AI
doesn’t happen all at once, it will be an
ongoing process.
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Your audience determines your risk.
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This also means the next generation of SEOs
will have different challenges, frictions, and
opportunities.
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SEO still drives value and traffic.
The ecosystem it is a part of, and users it serves
have evolved.
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Takeaway #1 - Set up tracking to monitor LLM traffic and its value.
Takeaway #2 - Compare organic traffic with paid impressions and trends.
Takeaway #3 - Distribute TOFU content across your socials and external sites.
Takeaway #4 - Identify funnel risks from current and past user search paths.
Takeaway #5 - Track how organic growth drives cross-channel results.
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https://www.searchenginejournal.com/category/enterprise-seo-
column/
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Barcelona
September
San Diego
September
Brighton
October
Barcelona
November
Come say hi if you’re attending one
of these events later this year!
Thank you
SEO & AI
dan@salt.agency
https://dantaylor.online
https://salt.agency
https://salt.agency/call-dan

More Visibility In AI Search: What Your C-Suite Needs To Know

Editor's Notes

  • #2 Just back from GSCL Went through a lot of things with Google around deduplication, generative processes…
  • #6 As I’ve mentioned a lot of us are already starting to see a decline in clicks in Google Search Console, that we’ve dubbed the Great Decoupling. We had this warning last year from Gartner, and from a clicks perspective we’re probably seeing this happen already. This doesn’t mean SEO is dead, it is just evolving as a channel.
  • #7 Talk to the problem statement - we’re here because the internet is changing and we need actions today, as well as long term best practices to keep us steady over the coming years.
  • #8 We’re not just undergoing a change in how people Search, we’re undergoing a change in how people consume information and interact with the world. This has been ongoing for some time, first we tried to frame TikTok as a Search Engine to put it in our reference of understanding, but it’s just a new entry point at various stages of the funnel for users. Now there are more disruptors with AI.
  • #10 18-24 year olds.
  • #12 Talk to the problem statement - we’re here because the internet is changing and we need actions today, as well as long term best practices to keep us steady over the coming years.
  • #13 This is because the user journey has been relatively trackable and to a certain point linear, but users are driving the change just as much as technology is.
  • #15 This is because the user journey has been relatively trackable and to a certain point linear, but users are driving the change just as much as technology is.
  • #16 The 2020s has already had a disruptive start to the decade and now AI, parts of social media, and new ways to search, like Google’s Circle and Lens that apparently 1 in 10 Gen Zs are using when they start their Google Search journey’s now. As we bring the next wave of talent through, we need to educate them as to the ways we used to do things as a contextual piece, and reinforce the need for modern skills, AI understanding, more concrete understandings of information retrieval, marketing and business intelligence, and an understanding of the second order.
  • #18 This is going to be a blanket list of metrics. With traditional SEO for the most part for decades we’ve been able to reel off keyword rankings, organic traffic, organic conversions as being standard KPIs of any SEO campaign, but that’s when the internet was, as Jono Alderson has put it, was URL shaped, which it no longer is.
  • #31 The modern buyer journey weaves through a maze of online touchpoints, anonymous research, influencer input, and AI-curated information. Much of this happens beyond the reach of your website, CRM, or intent data tools. This hidden space known as the dark funnel is now where most purchase decisions take shape.
  • #32 Platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google’s AI Search features increasingly act as intermediaries, summarising, interpreting, and curating information for the buyer rather than sending them directly to your website. As a result, your meticulously crafted landing pages may go unseen. Your value proposition is instead being relayed through an AI model, one that might not even attribute the content back to you.
  • #34 Buyers now rely on AI tools to pull together research, weigh up alternatives, and build shortlists, often without interacting with vendors until they’re well into the decision-making stage. The challenge is clear: you may be completely unaware of their presence until their mind is already made up.
  • #35 AI-driven feeds now amplify these peer recommendations, meaning a buyer may choose a tool they saw praised in their network without ever searching for your brand.
  • #39 Keyword tracking is still important, but with AI Mode and AI Overviews, being first no longer necessarily means first.
  • #49 This is because the user journey has been relatively trackable and to a certain point linear, but users are driving the change just as much as technology is.